AK - Jeff

Joined

• started 971 topics
• posted 10,684 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by AK - Jeff

• 
  13

  Ozzie's Weekend Poll #122 Why did the Blood card change?

  by ozziepost in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well here we are on a new server and it's not too bad, is it!

  apart from that, how's your weekend been?

  a highlight for us was partaking of a fine cabernet merlot.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  AK - Jeff

  Sort of what Mulan is saying, but could it be that if the 'No Blood' card is replaced by a more generalised end of life form then when they change their NO BLOOD stand in a few years, or whatever, all those people who have died or refused treatment and died because of the prohibition on blood, they will then not be sued by the deceaseds relatives.

  IMHO, by combining these documents they are including in the 'blood card' document other 'choices' regarding blood fractions, expanders and other treatments. This gives the society, as stated above, an out legally. They can then claim that the individual had 'freedom of choice' and was not coerced religiously to do anything at all. I think it is a move toward eventually allowing blood transfusions, and escaping the ramifications. Does anyone know if the new card makes a direct statement like the old one in effect ' that as one of Jehovah's witnesses, I refuse...' ect? I think they will eventually make the card devoid of any mention of the organization directly. Jeff
• 
  5

  Like the Indy Colts - WTBTS has not defense but keeps on going downfield!

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. social
  2. physical

  a strong offense can make it possible to do things you should only be able to do with a defense - .

  i think that is the strategy of the wtbts - they just keep moving the ball and keeping the other side (the sane ones) off balance.

  they never feel inclined to 'defend' themselves since all the r&f will just swallow it all hook line and sinker - in short many like the show.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  AK - Jeff

  A strong offense can make it possible to do things you should only be able to do with a defense -

  I think that is the strategy of the WTBTS - they just keep moving the ball and keeping the other side (the sane ones) off balance. They never feel inclined to 'defend' themselves since all the R&F will just swallow it all hook line and sinker - in short many like the show. Many in the R&F are so baffled by the constant shifts at the line that they have no time to react to the dangerous tricks being played on them. I was one of them for 30 years and I never caught on till just a year or so back - it was almost total desperation before I finally got a crack in my armour and started to take an honest look -

  Once I did it has not taken long to just walk off the field knowing there was no chance of changing the 'leopards spots' -

  By the way - will the Colts go to the show?

  Jeff
• 
  55

  The "bodily reserrection of Christ"doctrine and John 2:19-22

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have been examing this doctrine for a very long time and i must admit it makes no sense at all.

  when i talk to born-again christians about this doctrine the first place they always run to in the bible is john 2:19-22. the verse simple states: destroy this temple and in three days i will raise it up.

  the jews thought he was talking about the temple building.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  AK - Jeff

  Thanx Nark and Ross -

  I will have to head to work in about 5 minutes - so I will come back and take a closer look at what you stated here - looks like a days work to me.

  Thanx again guys -

  Jeff
• 
  8

  Go Figure

  by redskymedic in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so, after browsing through this website and then taking the search for the real 'truth' about the wts into my own hands, i decided to confront my jw mother.

  i stuck with the date-changing (1914, 1975, 2000) and asked what the explanation was since i have been gone for over 10 years now.

  she was quiet for a minute, then told me there was an explanation but she would have to look it up.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  AK - Jeff

  They honestly believe that it is all truth, don't they? I did for 30 years or so.

  A few weeks back I got an email from my sis-in-law . She was pounding the info from the latest Circus assembly about how soon the end was,ect. Her basis for the statement? Because the 'slave' is issuing strong warnings about it now! Wow - that's news!

  I told her I have had all the End-is-coming- the -sky- is- falling nonsense I wanted to ever hear. that I had gone thru the 1975 fiasco -and wasn't buying it anymore. This was apparently her first knowledge of our having drifted out entirely (I think till this we had just gotten 'weak' in her mind). For that one sentence she has gone on an all out duck-hunt with me in her sights - I think I may get disfellowshipped for Christmas this year!! if she has her way! My name is now proceeded with the Title - Apostate I think.... You know, like Brother Smith becomes Apostate Smith.

  She won't even answer my emails now. Funny how they will spend thousands of hours trying to find a new witness - but one with a doubt is not worth the time it takes to save him or her? Of course I don't want 'saved' - but just the same. Funny priorities.

  Jeff
• 
  46

  Jan 15th WT - Quiet desperation from the Governing Body

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the january 15th wt, "can you control your future" is the prelude to the feb 1st watchtower that contains the 2004 annual service report statistics.. .

  in the second study article (pages 15-20), the gb acknowledge the fact that people aren't paying attention to their waffle.. .

  there are some surprising statements in the last paragraph, but first, let's highlight some points in this article.... .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  AK - Jeff

  I think the publishers that drop out tend to be on the younger side, the older generation seems to the be ones who won't give up on the dream. It's like they can't comprehend anything else. My mom becamse baptized in 1974, she thought 1 more year... and she still stuck with it and still does even though they have been wrong.

  JTP - I am not so sure of that, actually. I was baptized in 1973, just leaving in the past year or so. I have come across many that have left after 30,40, or even 50 years in the org. I do believe it is easier to leave in younger years - but I think that many get to the 'empty nest' point in life - take a good honest look at what they thought was the 'truth' -and leave due to increased awareness of how time has showed the WT to be wrong on nearly everything they have tried to teach.

  I know what you mean though about 'wanting it to be the truth' - and not giving up on it. I went thru that part too. I still fight it. One poster here went thru a quick anger - thinking he had 'sinned against the Holy spirit' and started condemning all on this forum as wicked. This fantasy has a deep hold doesn't it?

  Jeff
• 
  22

  Encouraged NOT to have kids

  by JustTickledPink in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just thinking about the publisher stats and the birth rate, that was mentioned.. do you all remember in the 80's at the assemblies everyone was encouraged not to have children, to spend their time pioneering, because at armeggedon and in the time of the "tribulation" that it would be difficult with small kids.... to wait until the new system.. i remember a couple that pioneered and she really wanted kids, so her husband made her a deal that they had to pioneer for 5 more years and if the "end" hadn't come yet, they could have kids.

  i think they were reaching 30. i do remember 5 years went by and they had a son, that was probably 15 years ago.

  can you imagine the people that followed the advice and now are too old to have kids, but spent plenty of time pioneering?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  AK - Jeff

  JTP -

  that has been an ongoing theme since the 30's I think - Raymond Franz lists that as one of his great regrets as a witness in SoCF.

  I remember when my wife and I were just married it was common view at the time - in early 70's.

  Thank goodness that we raised a daughter - now we have 3 beautiful grandchildren that light up our lives everyday. They have truly been a lifesaver - since leaving the witness organization leaves you 'friendless', this has been a wonderful opportunity to love the grandchildren...

  Jeff
• 
  46

  New Provision to Assist Us to Abstain From Blood - Dec KM

  by truthseeker in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  if you wondered whether the society would print blood cards this year, they won't.

  blood cards are out.. consider the box found on the december km, entitled "new provision to assist us to abstain from blood".

  the governing body has approved combining the essential elements of the durable power of attorney (dpa) document and the advance.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  AK - Jeff

  Does this mean, that the service meetings in December won't feature an annual "How to fill out the blood card" item? Are the GB gradually diminishing the importance of blood?

  I think that this change gives the impression (legally) that individuals are making the choice here regarding blood and it's uses. The reality is that the society is still pulling the strings - but with the appearance of greater personal choice comes legal arguments that this has always been the case, just different in the way it was presented with the 'blood card'.

  This might -and it is a big might - suggest a change in the basic view of blood transfusions down the road. One that will let the society escape the legal ramifications of the previous position. The introduction of the DPA a few years back, the 2000 wt changes, and the 2004 clarifications in the June wt. They are leading up to something.

  I think it is years away -and has to do with legal issues.

  Jeff
• 
  17

  Tap Dancing BroBennett

  by Golf in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  ok, brobennett, you still haven't address my last post or others on the subject of "the wtbt's proactive steps at prevention child molestation.

  " being familiar with the org.

  since 1948, i can honestly say, never once did i hear of taking 'proactive steps' against child molestation.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  AK - Jeff

  Golf -

  I noticed that his training on that comes right from the Brooklyn School of Arobatic Dance Moves.

  Jeff
• 
  46

  Jan 15th WT - Quiet desperation from the Governing Body

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the january 15th wt, "can you control your future" is the prelude to the feb 1st watchtower that contains the 2004 annual service report statistics.. .

  in the second study article (pages 15-20), the gb acknowledge the fact that people aren't paying attention to their waffle.. .

  there are some surprising statements in the last paragraph, but first, let's highlight some points in this article.... .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  AK - Jeff

  Perhaps some have found certain information published by the "faithful and discreet slave" hard to grasp. If any of this has happened to you, we urge you to study God's Word with renewed zeal and to supplicate Jehovah so that you may regain a strong, close relationship with him.

  They absolutely do not mean this! Interpretation: study the Societies published version of what the scriptures state. When Raymond Franz and a hundred of so brothers in Brooklyn tried to do as they suggest here - they got disfellowshipped!!!

  Jeff
• 
  46

  Jan 15th WT - Quiet desperation from the Governing Body

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the january 15th wt, "can you control your future" is the prelude to the feb 1st watchtower that contains the 2004 annual service report statistics.. .

  in the second study article (pages 15-20), the gb acknowledge the fact that people aren't paying attention to their waffle.. .

  there are some surprising statements in the last paragraph, but first, let's highlight some points in this article.... .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  AK - Jeff

  Previous two years fall-off was greater than this year. 41k and 40k if I did the math right.

  Thanx truthseeker for the figures - so that must be a seasonal fall - off

  Jeff